LDS Discussions — A Faithful Response

The Book of Mormon and Adam and Eve: A Scholarly Defense

Addressing the ldsdiscussions.com critique on historicity, the Fall, and Joseph Smith’s revelations

The ldsdiscussions.com page “The Book of Mormon and Adam and Eve Historicity” argues that because mainstream science and documentary-hypothesis biblical scholarship treat Adam and Eve as etiological myth, the entire historical truth-claims of Mormonism collapse. The argument rests on a series of misapplications: conflating two categorically different kinds of questions (scientific origins vs. theological personhood), overstating a particular strand of biblical scholarship as settled consensus, and ignoring a substantial body of ancient textual evidence that vindicates rather than embarrasses the Restoration’s portrayal of Adam. This response addresses each major charge systematically.

I. The Scientific Question Is Not the Same as the Theological Question

The ldsdiscussions.com argument begins by marshaling evidence from evolution, the fossil record, and DNA studies to establish that Homo sapiens did not originate 6,000 years ago from a single couple in Missouri. This point, taken in isolation, is correct as a scientific statement. But the site then makes an unwarranted leap: that because science cannot confirm an Edenic couple in 4000 BCE, the LDS theological framework built on Adam and Eve therefore disintegrates. This is a category error.

Science addresses physical, material processes through empirical methods. Theology addresses questions of meaning, moral agency, covenantal identity, and salvific relationships. The same methodological distinction applies to asking whether DNA disproves the existence of God, or whether carbon dating disproves the Resurrection. These are not the same kind of question, and conflating them does not produce a valid refutation — it produces a non sequitur.

Significantly, science itself uses the language of a genetic Adam and Eve — referring to the Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve, the most recent patrilineal and matrilineal common ancestors of all living humans. A 2013 study in Science placed the Y-chromosomal Adam at approximately 120–156,000 years ago and Mitochondrial Eve at 99–148,000 years ago, with more recent estimates converging these timelines closely. What science shows is that all living humans descend from a single woman through matrilineal lines and a single man through patrilineal lines — figures science itself names Adam and Eve. The breezy dismissal that there was no single Adam and Eve is not supported by science; it is contradicted by it.

Many serious theologians, philosophers, and scientists — including those at the BioLogos Foundation — have engaged extensively with the question of how theological Adam relates to genetic ancestry. The existence of this entire field of rigorous scholarly inquiry demonstrates that the question of a historical Adam is not the obvious scientific non-starter the site implies.

II. The Documentary Hypothesis Is Not Scientific Consensus — It Is a Contested Scholarly Model

A central pillar of the ldsdiscussions.com argument is the documentary hypothesis — the theory that the Pentateuch was compiled from multiple source documents (J, E, D, P) between the 6th and 5th centuries BCE. The site treats this as settled fact, asserting that because early Israelite prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amos, and Micah do not mention Adam and Eve, the story was unknown until the exilic period.

The documentary hypothesis, while influential in 19th and early 20th century scholarship, has been substantially revised, challenged, and in many respects dismantled by subsequent generations of scholars. Rolf Rendtorff, Erhard Blum, John Van Seters, and Frank Cross — all mainstream critical scholars — have argued for profoundly different models of Pentateuchal composition, with some rejecting the classical JEDP source division entirely. The field is characterized by deep disagreement, not consensus.

Furthermore, the argument from silence is one of the weakest forms of historical reasoning. Hosea 6:7 almost certainly alludes to Adam as a covenant-breaker: “But they like Adam have transgressed the covenant” (ESV). The Hebrew prophets were not writing encyclopedias of Israelite tradition — they were addressing specific crises of covenant faithfulness, and selective citation does not imply ignorance.

The presence of ancient Semitic creation and fall traditions stretching across the Ancient Near East — from the Atrahasis Epic to the Epic of Gilgamesh — establishes that narratives closely parallel to Genesis predate the 6th century by centuries or millennia. The site cites the Enkidu and Shamhat parallel from Gilgamesh as evidence of borrowed mythology, but this argument cuts both ways. The pervasive presence of such narratives throughout the ancient Near East demonstrates they were an established feature of the literary and religious environment across multiple millennia, not a late Israelite invention.

III. The Book of Mormon’s Treatment of the Fall Is Theologically Original and Profound

Rather than merely repeating the Genesis account, the Book of Mormon offers the most theologically developed and philosophically sophisticated treatment of the Fall in all of Western scripture. Lehi’s discourse in 2 Nephi 2 is not a borrowed myth — it is an original theological system that anticipates and surpasses arguments that would not enter mainstream Christian thought for centuries.

“Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” — 2 Nephi 2:25

This single verse encapsulates a theological position — that the Fall was not a catastrophic accident but an integral, purposeful event in the divine plan — that only begins to appear in mainstream Christian theology with Ambrose of Milan in the 4th century, who wrote that Adam’s fall “has brought more benefit to us than harm.” Pope Gregory the Great, Thomas Aquinas, and the Easter liturgy’s famous Exultet prayer all converge on this position:

“O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam, which gained for us so great a Redeemer!” — Roman Rite Easter Vigil, Exultet

Notre Dame philosopher Alvin Plantinga — widely regarded as the foremost Christian philosopher of the 20th century — affirmed this same felix culpa logic in his essay “Supralapsarianism, or O Felix Culpa.” The Book of Mormon arrived at this conclusion in 1830. What ldsdiscussions.com treats as a liability — that the Book of Mormon depends on a literal Fall — is in fact its theological crown. The text does not merely borrow Genesis; it provides a rigorous account of why the Fall was necessary, one that centuries of independent Christian scholarship have ratified.

Elder Dallin H. Oaks has noted the critical distinction between a sin and a transgression in LDS theology: the Fall was not morally evil but rather a formally prohibited act taken with incomplete knowledge, whose consequences were designed and foreseen by God as the very mechanism of human progression. This resolves the paradox of conflicting commandments (multiply, but do not eat) that ldsdiscussions.com raises as a problem, but which LDS theology has always presented as the intentional design of divine agency.

IV. Ancient Texts Validate the Restoration’s Portrait of Adam

The ldsdiscussions.com critique implicitly assumes that Joseph Smith’s expansive teachings about Adam — his priesthood authority, his pre-mortal role, his exaltation, his function as father of all — are 19th-century inventions with no ancient precedent. This assumption fails when subjected to historical scrutiny.

FAIR scholar Matthew Roper has documented that ancient texts from across Jewish, Christian, and Gnostic traditions portray Adam in terms strikingly parallel to LDS Restoration theology, and that these texts were rarely known, not easily accessible, or completely unknown during the lifetime of Joseph Smith — meaning they cannot be explained as conscious borrowings from sources available to the prophet in 1830.

Adam’s Pre-mortal Existence: LDS scripture teaches (Moses 3:5) that all things were created spiritually before they were created physically. Talmudic texts record controversy among Jewish sages over whether Adam was God’s associate in creation. Scholar Jarl Fossum found that early rabbis were actively contending against a doctrine of a heavenly man. The Gospel of the Egyptians describes “the first man through whom and to whom everything became.” These traditions were unavailable to Joseph Smith, yet they match the Restoration’s teaching precisely.

Adam and Priesthood Ordinances: Alma 13 teaches that priests were ordained after the order of God’s Son from the foundation of the world. The ancient text Jubilees describes Adam offering sacrifices of frankincense and spices after leaving Eden. The Manichaean Psalm Book describes Adam eagerly accepting all the commandments, ordinances, and seals of virtue. Mandaean texts describe an angel baptizing Adam in the Jordan River and clothing him with a ritual garment — concepts resonant with LDS temple ordinances that could not have been borrowed from texts Joseph Smith never read.

The Atonement Taught to Adam: The Book of Moses teaches that an angel explained Adam’s sacrifices as a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten. The Coptic Conflict of Adam and Eve depicts Christ telling Adam: “So will I shed My own blood as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth.” The Coptic Discourse on the Abbaton describes the Son of God volunteering: “I will be his advocate, and I will go down into the world, and will fulfil thy command.”

Adam’s Exaltation: The Testament of Abraham — a Jewish pseudepigraphical text unavailable in English until the 20th century — describes Adam enthroned in glory: “This is the first-formed Adam who is in such glory, and he looks at the world, since everyone has come from him.” The Syriac Testament of Adam records God promising: “You wanted to be a god; I will make you a god. I will set you at the right hand of my divinity.” Scholar John Reeves identifies this as a representation of a divine restoration to Adam of the position he enjoyed among the heavenly entities. Joseph Smith taught exactly this — from texts he had never seen.

V. The “Ancient of Days” Question: Ancient Sources Support Joseph Smith

The ldsdiscussions.com critique places heavy weight on the charge that D&C 116 incorrectly identifies Adam as the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7. The reality is far more complex.

The Aramaic phrase attiq yomin (Ancient of Days) is unique to Daniel 7 in the entire biblical corpus. The critical tradition’s identification of this figure exclusively with God rests on typological parallels to Canaanite Baal imagery from Ugaritic texts — an inference, not a plain reading of Daniel 7 itself. Ancient Jewish interpretation did not unanimously identify the Ancient of Days with God.

New Testament scholar Phillip B. Munoa III, in his monograph Four Powers in Heaven: The Interpretation of Daniel 7 in the Testament of Abraham (Sheffield Academic Press, 1998), demonstrates that the Testament of Abraham — an ancient Jewish text — portrays the enthroned Adam at the gates of Paradise in terms directly drawn from Daniel 7’s Ancient of Days imagery. This is a text unavailable in English until the 20th century, and it identifies the same figure — Adam — with the same imagery that Joseph Smith identified in D&C 27:11, 116:1, and 138:38.

The site attributes Joseph Smith’s teaching to Sidney Rigdon’s 1834 article. But the independent ancient Jewish textual tradition that identifies Adam with this exalted figure was unknown to Rigdon and to every Western scholar in 1834. Whatever the route of Joseph Smith’s expression, the underlying claim is supported by ancient texts unavailable to any party at the time. That is not the signature of borrowed speculation; it is the signature of authentic restoration.

VI. The Adam-God Theory Is Not LDS Doctrine and Never Was

Brigham Young’s April 1852 sermon on Adam-God was never canonized as LDS doctrine. It was a sermon, not a revelation, and it conflicted with other teachings both before and after it. The Church has explicitly and repeatedly disavowed Adam-God as contrary to scripture and the teachings of Joseph Smith. President Spencer W. Kimball stated plainly: “We warn you against the philosophies of men including the so-called Adam-God theory.”

LDS scripture is unambiguous that Adam is a created, exalted being — the first man of all men (Moses 1:34) — not the Father of all spirits. D&C 130:22 and the foundational theology of the Restoration distinguish the Godhead precisely and clearly. The existence of a heterodox teaching that briefly appeared and was subsequently disavowed does not undermine a religious tradition any more than Origen’s subordinationism undermines historic Christianity or Schleiermacher’s pantheistic tendencies undermine Lutheranism.

VII. The Jaredite Anachronism Charge Is Circular

The critique argues that Jaredite records (circa 2200 BCE) reference Adam, but the Adam and Eve story was supposedly unknown until the Pentateuch was compiled around 500 BCE. This argument is entirely circular. Its premise depends on the documentary hypothesis, which is a contested scholarly model, not established fact.

If there was an ancient Mesopotamian oral or written tradition about a primordial man and garden — as the Atrahasis Epic and Enkidu narrative suggest, both predating 1000 BCE by centuries — then the Jaredites, migrating from the ancient Near East in the third millennium BCE, would have carried such traditions with them. Moreover, Moroni explicitly states (Ether 1:3–4) that he is not reproducing the Jaredite account of Adam — he merely acknowledges its existence. A Jaredite awareness of primordial man traditions in 2200 BCE is historically plausible on its face.

VIII. Theological Integration Across LDS Scripture Is a Strength, Not a Liability

The site repeatedly points out that LDS theology requires a literal Adam and Eve at multiple levels: the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, the temple endowment, and Apostolic pronouncements. This integration is treated as a liability. But theological integration across multiple revelatory texts is precisely what we would expect of an authentic Restoration, not a sign of overextension.

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland stated at April 2015 General Conference: “there is no way to truly celebrate Christmas or Easter without understanding that there was an actual Adam and Eve who fell from an actual Eden, with all the consequences that fall carried with it.” This is a principled theological claim: the entire redemptive arc of Christ’s mission has covenantal, relational, and historical meaning precisely because it responds to a real moral situation introduced by real persons with real agency. The alternative — that Christ died to repair a fictional narrative — is the theologically incoherent position.

Terryl Givens, one of the most careful and celebrated LDS scholars, has noted that the Book of Mormon introduces four decisive theological contributions: a developed Christology, the moral necessity of the Fall, an expanded theology of human agency, and a covenant framework anchored in historical events. These are not primitive repetitions of borrowed myth — they are original theological propositions that anticipate and surpass much of what Western theology has produced independently.

Conclusion

The Book of Mormon’s engagement with Adam and Eve is one of the text’s most theologically profound contributions. Lehi’s discourse in 2 Nephi 2 presents a doctrine of the Fall that anticipates the felix culpa tradition by centuries, resolves the paradox of conflicting commandments through a theology of necessary transgression and moral agency, and places the redemptive work of Christ on a foundation of real human choice with real cosmic consequences.

When that theological portrait is placed alongside the ancient texts that Joseph Smith never read — the Testament of Abraham, the Mandaean Canonical Prayerbook, the Conflict of Adam and Eve, the Coptic Discourse on the Abbaton, Munoa’s analysis of Daniel 7 — the convergence is not coincidence. It is the fingerprint of authentic restoration.

The ldsdiscussions.com argument fails as a refutation because it conflates scientific and theological categories of inquiry; treats the documentary hypothesis as settled consensus when it is a contested scholarly model; ignores extensive ancient textual evidence vindicating the Restoration’s portrait of Adam; misidentifies Brigham Young’s speculative sermon as normative LDS doctrine; fails to engage the theological sophistication of 2 Nephi 2; and ignores that science itself uses the language of a genetic Adam and Eve for the single-lineage common ancestors of all humanity.

As Apostle James Talmage observed: “The man who cannot listen to an argument which opposes his views either has a weak position or is a weak defender of it.” The LDS position on Adam and Eve, examined rigorously, is neither weak nor indefensible. It is sustained by theology, ancient textual evidence, philosophical coherence, and the internal consistency of Restoration scripture — a position that can stand precisely because it does not need to hide.

Sources and Further Reading

Matthew Roper, Adam in Ancient Texts and the Restoration, FAIR Conference, August 2006 — fairlatterdaysaints.org

Phillip B. Munoa III, Four Powers in Heaven: The Interpretation of Daniel 7 in the Testament of Abraham, Sheffield Academic Press, 1998.

David Paulsen and Brock Mason, The Fortunate Fall of Adam and Eve, Religious Studies Center, BYU — rsc.byu.edu

Dallin H. Oaks, The Great Plan of Happiness, General Conference, October 1993.

Jeffrey R. Holland, The Atonement of Jesus Christ, General Conference, April 2015.

Alvin Plantinga, Supralapsarianism, or O Felix Culpa, in Christian Faith and the Problem of Evil, Eerdmans, 2004.

BioLogos, Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam — biologos.org