LDS Discussions — A Faithful Response

The Transfiguration of Brigham Young

A scholarly examination of 129 testimonies, the social-contagion theory, and the systematic misrepresentation of the historical record by LDS Discussions.

Introduction: What Is Actually at Stake

The LDS Discussions overview of the Transfiguration of Brigham Young presents itself as a dispassionate historical analysis. It is not. It is a carefully constructed rhetorical argument built on selective quotation, the systematic omission of contrary evidence, and the misrepresentation of what the documentary record actually shows. When the complete historical record is examined — not merely the slice that confirms the author's conclusion — a very different picture emerges: one involving 129 documented testimonies, verifiable early references, witnesses distributed across three continents, and a body of evidence that demolishes the social-contagion theory at its foundation.

This response examines every major claim advanced by LDS Discussions and measures it against the scholarly record. Citations are drawn from peer-reviewed Latter-day Saint scholarship, the Van Wagoner Dialogue article that LDS Discussions relies upon, and the subsequent Jorgensen study that Van Wagoner's thesis could not anticipate and cannot survive.

The core LDS Discussions argument rests on four pillars: (1) no contemporary accounts exist; (2) the accounts that do exist appeared only years later; (3) prominent witnesses were not present; and (4) the social-contagion theory explains the accounts away. Each of these claims is addressed in turn below. Each fails to withstand scrutiny.

I. The Event Itself: What the Historical Record Shows

On August 8, 1844 — six weeks after Joseph Smith's martyrdom — approximately 5,000 Latter-day Saints gathered in Nauvoo to resolve the question of succession. Sidney Rigdon, as the surviving member of the First Presidency, had spoken four days earlier claiming the role of “guardian” for the Church. Brigham Young, as President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, then addressed the congregation in the afternoon session.

What transpired that afternoon has been the subject of extensive historical analysis. Many in attendance reported a powerful spiritual experience in which Brigham Young appeared and sounded remarkably like the deceased prophet. Some described hearing Joseph Smith's voice. Others saw Joseph's likeness on Brigham's frame. Still others described simply receiving a spiritual confirmation that Brigham Young was God's chosen successor. These accounts vary in their details precisely because they were written independently, across decades, by individuals with no coordination or editorial direction from Church leadership.

The Church voted almost unanimously to sustain the Quorum of the Twelve that afternoon. Sidney Rigdon was subsequently excommunicated. Whatever the precise nature of the spiritual experiences reported, the historical fact of the meeting, the vote, and the outcome is beyond dispute.

II. The “No Contemporary Accounts” Argument: A Misrepresentation

LDS Discussions quotes Richard Van Wagoner's 1995 Dialogue article to the effect that “there is not a shred of irrefutable contemporary evidence to support the occurrence of a mystical event.” This is the rhetorical cornerstone of the entire LDS Discussions overview. It deserves careful scrutiny, because the claim is considerably less powerful than it appears.

First, it is necessary to understand what Van Wagoner actually said. He said there is no contemporary evidence of a mystical event — that is, a supernatural physical transformation. He did not say there is no contemporary evidence that something unusual was perceived on August 8, 1844. These are entirely different claims, and LDS Discussions consistently conflates them.

Second, and critically, the documentary record does contain multiple near-contemporary references that LDS Discussions ignores entirely:

Early Documentary Evidence

  • Times and Seasons (1844) — Published during the weeks following the August 8 meeting, reported that “every Saint could see that Elijah's mantle had truly fallen upon the 'Twelve.'”
  • November 1844 letter — A letter written just three months after the event noted that Young “favours Br Joseph, both in person, manner of speaking.”
  • Wilford Woodruff, February 1845 — Writing to the British Saints less than seven months after the event, Woodruff stated that “it was evident to the Saints that the mantle of Joseph had fallen upon” Young, describing what he witnessed at the August 8 conference.
  • William Burton diary, May 1845 — Just nine months after the meeting, Burton recorded in past tense that “the spirit of Joseph appeared to rest upon Brigham.”

The LDS Discussions author makes much of the fact that Wilford Woodruff wrote seven pages about that day and said nothing about a transfiguration. But this observation, presented as devastating, is actually misleading in two ways. First, Woodruff's journal entry describes the practical events of the day — the speeches, the votes, the organizational proceedings — and this is entirely consistent with how diarists of the period recorded public meetings. Second, and more importantly, Woodruff's own February 1845 letter to the British Saints explicitly describes the mantle falling on Young at that very meeting. LDS Discussions cites Woodruff's journal to attack the event, while ignoring Woodruff's own letter that supports it. This is not dispassionate historical analysis; it is selective citation.

Third, the absence of a record is not evidence of the absence of an event. The Nauvoo community in the months following Joseph Smith's murder was living under extraordinary duress: persecution from neighboring communities was intensifying, the temple was unfinished, malaria and cholera were devastating the population, and the Saints were preparing for an exodus of thousands of miles. Lynne Watkins Jorgensen's scholarship documents these conditions in detail, noting that “life was chaotic and dangerous” and that “most members, even those few who kept journals, were very circumspect and may have been uncomfortable with writing about sacred spiritual and emotional events.” One witness explained her own delayed account by writing: “So deeply was I impressed with what I saw and heard in the transfiguration, that for years I dared not tell what was given me of the Lord to see.” These are the conditions under which one would expect delayed written testimony.

III. The Scale and Scope of Jorgensen's Research: 129 Testimonies

The LDS Discussions article was written in response to a world in which Van Wagoner's 1995 Dialogue article was the most comprehensive treatment of this subject. That world no longer exists. Lynne Watkins Jorgensen subsequently published “The Mantle of the Prophet Joseph Passes to Brother Brigham: One Hundred Twenty-nine Testimonies of a Collective Spiritual Witness,” a landmark study that transformed the evidentiary landscape entirely.

LDS Discussions acknowledges the existence of this research only in passing and never engages with its substance. This is a significant scholarly failure. The Jorgensen study documents:

The Jorgensen Data

  • 129 total written testimonies — gathered from personal journals, scribal narratives, published first-person accounts, family biographies, and historical compilations
  • 57 firsthand accounts — written by individuals who personally claimed to have witnessed the event
  • 42 secondhand accounts — from family members or historical compilers recording the testimony of a named witness
  • Geographic distribution — accounts originate from across the United States from northern Idaho to southern Utah and Arizona, and as far as Tahiti — with no concentrated geographic pocket suggesting local legend formation
  • Demographic diversity — witnesses include men, women, and children as young as 8–11 years old; individuals of varying ages, social positions, and degrees of acquaintance with Joseph Smith
  • Internal disagreement — accounts contradict each other in specific details, indicating independent composition rather than coordination or copying from a common source

This volume of evidence is extraordinary. For comparison: the testimonies of the Eight Witnesses to the Book of Mormon plates — which LDS critics rarely demand be dismissed on grounds of delayed composition — number eight. The witnesses to the Transfiguration of Brigham Young, by Jorgensen's count, number 129. These witnesses came from different backgrounds, wrote at different times, and recorded different sensory details. They were scattered across the frontier American West and the Pacific Islands. They had no systematic mechanism for coordinating their accounts.

The specificity of the accounts is also notable. Witnesses did not merely say “Brigham Young seemed like Joseph Smith.” They recorded specific, idiosyncratic details: the particular hand gestures Joseph used when speaking emphatically; the manner in which Joseph cleared his throat; the whistling sound that resulted from a missing tooth; the way Joseph's stature appeared to change. These granular, non-generic details, appearing independently across dozens of accounts, are inconsistent with the hypothesis that witnesses were simply repeating a general cultural legend. Legends produce general claims. Independent witnesses produce specific, sometimes contradictory, particularized observations.

IV. The Social-Contagion Theory: Why It Fails

Van Wagoner's explanation for why 129 otherwise credible people reported a shared experience they “probably did not” have is what he calls “contagion theory”: the idea that a contagious thought spread through the community and created a “collective mind.” LDS Discussions adopts this explanation enthusiastically. It should not, because Van Wagoner himself admitted the theory has a “paramount dilemma” — and the subsequent evidence makes that dilemma insurmountable.

Social contagion, as a mechanism for producing false shared memories, requires several conditions to operate: (1) a densely connected social network through which the “contagious” narrative can spread; (2) a uniform narrative structure that becomes standardized through repeated telling; (3) geographic concentration of those sharing the false memory; and (4) accounts that converge rather than diverge over time as the legend becomes more standardized. The Transfiguration accounts fail every one of these conditions.

Geographic spread is perhaps the most powerful refutation. Jorgensen documented accounts originating in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, and Tahiti — communities with limited contact with one another in the frontier era. If social contagion were operating, one would expect accounts to cluster geographically around centers of LDS population density and institutional storytelling. Instead, the accounts are distributed across the frontier in a pattern consistent with independent composition.

Internal disagreement among the accounts is equally fatal to the contagion hypothesis. A socially contagious legend, by definition, becomes more uniform over time as the “canonical” version replaces individual variation. Jorgensen found the opposite: the accounts “contradict each other to some extent in their descriptions of the events of the day,” with no single standardized version emerging. This is precisely what one expects from independent eyewitness testimony and precisely what one does not expect from the spread of a coordinated myth.

Furthermore, Jorgensen's research demonstrated that the mantle experience was not confined to the Nauvoo community — or even to supporters of Brigham Young. Some accounts describe the mantle phenomenon occurring on different dates and in different locations, as individuals encountered Brigham Young for the first time after having relocated to other areas. Even associates of James Strang, Young's rival claimant, acknowledged that something unusual had occurred at the August 8 meeting, though they attempted naturalistic explanations rather than denying it happened. You do not attempt to explain away an event that never happened. The very existence of naturalistic counter-explanations from rivals is confirmation that the event was real and widely known.

On the epistemological question, the principle of “consensual validation” applies: when a large number of independent observers from varied backgrounds make the same extraordinary assessment of a phenomenon, that assessment demands serious consideration regardless of whether it can be documented in contemporary written sources. Lawyers and courts cannot exclude eyewitness testimony simply because it was not recorded contemporaneously; there is no principled reason to apply a stricter evidentiary standard to historical testimony than courts apply to evidence capable of sending a person to prison.

V. The Orson Hyde Problem: Misuse of Evidence

LDS Discussions places considerable weight on the Orson Hyde problem: Hyde testified in General Conference in 1869 that he witnessed the transfiguration, but Wilford Woodruff's journal confirms Hyde was not in Nauvoo on August 8, 1844 — he arrived five days later. LDS Discussions presents this as evidence that “church leaders” were “lying” about the event to bolster their authority.

This argument misunderstands both the evidence and what Jorgensen's research reveals. Hyde's 1869 testimony is problematic, and it has been acknowledged as such by Latter-day Saint historians. It is not, however, evidence that the event itself did not occur. It is evidence that Hyde may have experienced something similar on a different occasion — perhaps when he first encountered Brigham Young after returning — and subsequently conflated his experience with the famous August 8 meeting. Jorgensen specifically notes that some witnesses described experiencing the mantle phenomenon on other dates and in other locations, not solely on August 8 in Nauvoo. Hyde's account, far from undermining the event, may be one of these parallel experiences misattributed in memory to the famous assembly.

More fundamentally, the logical structure of the LDS Discussions argument here is flawed. The fact that one witness gave an account with a demonstrable error in its temporal or geographic details does not invalidate 128 other independent accounts. By that evidentiary standard, no event in antiquity could be confirmed, since virtually every ancient source contains some factual error or internal inconsistency. The presence of one problematic account among 129 is not anomalous; it is what a genuine body of diverse eyewitness testimony looks like.

VI. The George Laub Diary: A Distorted Argument

LDS Discussions makes much of the George Laub diary, arguing that scholars once thought it was a contemporary account supporting the transfiguration, but that it has since been determined to be a later copy with additions, and that the original diary contains no reference to the event.

This argument concedes rather than supports the LDS Discussions thesis. The discovery of the original Laub diary and the determination that the copy contained later additions is itself a product of the same careful Latter-day Saint historical scholarship that LDS Discussions implies does not exist. The Saints are not hiding the Laub evidence; they discovered and disclosed it. The proper conclusion from the Laub affair is that Latter-day Saint historians engage rigorously with source criticism — not that the transfiguration is a fraud. Moreover, the Laub diary was never the primary or sole evidence for the event. Jorgensen's 129 accounts rest on an entirely independent documentary foundation.

VII. The Emily Hoyt Account: Misread by LDS Discussions

LDS Discussions spends considerable effort on the Emily Hoyt account, arguing that the Church's Saints volume misrepresented her diary by claiming she testified that Brigham “looked and sounded like Joseph,” when the actual diary says she needed to look up at the stand to remind herself it was not Joseph.

This argument requires careful reading, because the logic runs precisely in the opposite direction from what LDS Discussions claims. Why would Emily Hoyt involuntarily look up at the stand to check whether it was Joseph Smith if the speaker did not in some way trigger the expectation that it might be? Her own words — “I often startled and involuntarily looked at the stand to see if it was not Joseph” — describe a repeated involuntary reflex produced by a sensory similarity powerful enough to keep triggering that reflex even after she knew Joseph was dead. This is not the behavior of someone who heard an ordinary speech. It is the behavior of someone experiencing a genuine, disorienting similarity to a person they knew well.

Furthermore, the Hoyt account should not bear the evidentiary weight LDS Discussions places on it in either direction. It is one of 129 documented testimonies. The question is not whether any single account is perfectly precise in its description; the question is what the preponderance of a large, independently composed body of evidence shows. That body of evidence overwhelmingly confirms that many people experienced something on August 8, 1844 — and on subsequent occasions as they encountered Brigham Young — that they understood as divine confirmation of his prophetic calling.

VIII. The Succession Question: Authority Did Not Rest on the Miracle

LDS Discussions quotes the LDS Answers website approvingly: “If this transfiguration never took place, the very foundations of our LDS faith and history are weakened.” This framing, which LDS Discussions adopts as its capstone argument, fundamentally misunderstands the Latter-day Saint theology of succession.

Brigham Young's authority to lead the Church did not rest primarily on the transfiguration. It rested on three doctrinal and institutional foundations:

Foundations of Succession Authority

  • D&C 107:23–24 — The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles holds “equal in authority and power” to the First Presidency, giving them an established doctrinal basis for leadership in the absence of a First Presidency.
  • Joseph Smith's Last Charge, March 1844 — Just months before his death, Joseph Smith explicitly transferred his full authority and all priesthood keys to the Apostles present, ensuring the Quorum held the keys necessary for continued leadership.
  • Common Consent, August 8, 1844 — Approximately 5,000 Saints voted almost unanimously to sustain the Quorum of the Twelve, exercising the established principle of common consent that governs Church governance.

ScriptureCentral's analysis of the succession question explicitly notes that the transfiguration “was never used as the governing reason” for Brigham Young's succession. It provided “spiritual confirmation” for those who experienced it — and for the 129 who testified to it, it was a powerful confirmation — but it was not the doctrinal or institutional basis for authority. The authority was already established by revelation, by the transfer of keys, and by the vote of the people.

Brigham Young himself was notably restrained in his own account of the August 8 meeting. He did not claim to have been physically transformed. He stated only that “the Holy Ghost and the spirit of the prophets” were present, and that the Church was “of one heart and one mind.” This modesty on Young's own part is inconsistent with the LDS Discussions narrative that the transfiguration story was generated by an apostolic propaganda operation designed to shore up Young's authority. A propaganda operation would have Young himself proclaiming the miracle. Instead, the accounts come from the people — independently, across decades, across continents — while Young himself said almost nothing.

IX. The Comparative Argument and Its Fatal Flaw

LDS Discussions uses the Transfiguration as what it calls an “etiological myth” to argue by analogy against the First Vision, the priesthood restoration, and ultimately the entire historical foundation of the Church. The logic is: if the transfiguration story was invented after the fact, then the same process could explain Joseph Smith's miraculous claims.

This comparative argument collapses for a simple reason: it depends on the prior conclusion that the Transfiguration was invented. That prior conclusion, as this response demonstrates, has not been established. LDS Discussions does not actually prove that the transfiguration did not occur — it proves only that no dated contemporaneous document has yet been identified that describes the full miraculous event in those explicit terms. These are not the same thing. An argument whose strength depends on the reader not knowing about Jorgensen's 129 accounts is not a scholarly argument — it is a rhetorical one.

X. Standards of Evidence: What History Can and Cannot Establish

LDS Discussions opens with a reasonable observation: we cannot know with certainty what happened in any historical event, because we were not there and records are imperfect. It then proceeds to apply this epistemic humility only to Latter-day Saint truth claims — never to the secular alternative hypothesis it implicitly endorses. This is an asymmetry that undermines the entire analysis.

The Van Wagoner contagion theory is not “not knowing what happened.” It is a positive claim: that 129 people fabricated or falsely remembered a shared experience due to social influence. This claim requires evidence just as much as the claim that the event occurred. Van Wagoner did not provide that evidence; he proposed a mechanism. LDS Discussions did not provide it; it quoted Van Wagoner. The contagion theory remains an untested hypothesis that fails its own evidentiary burden — it cannot explain the geographic distribution of the accounts, the internal contradictions that indicate independent composition, the accounts from individuals outside Young's immediate community, or the silence of the “contagion” itself in the documentary record.

Historians regularly accept eyewitness testimony written years after events as valid evidence. Legal scholars note that eyewitness testimony “is often the only evidence available, and it is often correct.” The standard applied to events like the Transfiguration by LDS Discussions — that no claim is admissible unless written contemporaneously — would invalidate virtually every account of every pre-modern event, including events whose historicity no serious scholar questions. It is a standard invented specifically to dismiss Latter-day Saint history, not a standard applied consistently across historical inquiry.

Conclusion: What the Evidence Actually Shows

The LDS Discussions case against the Transfiguration of Brigham Young rests on four claims that do not survive scholarly examination:

Summary of Failed Arguments

“No contemporary accounts exist” — False. The Times and Seasons, the Woodruff February 1845 letter, the November 1844 letter, and the Burton May 1845 diary entry all pre-date the critics’ own claimed threshold. “Accounts only appeared years later” — Misleading. Delayed written testimony is entirely consistent with the documented historical conditions in Nauvoo. “Orson Hyde lied” — Irrelevant as a disproof. One problematic account does not invalidate 128 others. “Social contagion explains it” — Disproven by geographic distribution, internal disagreements among accounts, and the absence of any documented contagion mechanism.

What the complete evidence actually shows is this: on August 8, 1844, and in subsequent encounters with Brigham Young, at least 57 firsthand witnesses recorded in independent testimony their experience of something they understood as the prophetic mantle falling on Brigham Young — whether described as hearing Joseph's voice, seeing Joseph's likeness, or receiving an overpowering spiritual confirmation of Young's calling. These 57 firsthand accounts, together with 72 secondhand accounts, are distributed across the North American frontier and the Pacific Islands, written at different times, and disagree with one another in specific detail in ways that are the hallmark of genuine independent testimony.

The standard critique of religious experience is that it is private, unverifiable, and unrepeatable. The Transfiguration of Brigham Young is remarkable precisely because it is none of these things. It was a public event witnessed by thousands. It was reported independently by scores of individuals across vast distances. And it was sufficiently widely known that even rivals to Brigham Young felt compelled to offer explanations for it rather than deny it happened.

LDS Discussions closes with a quotation from Apostle James Talmage: “No opinion that cannot stand discussion or criticism is worth holding.” We agree entirely. The Latter-day Saint position on the Transfiguration of Brigham Young has been subjected to rigorous historical criticism for decades, has been examined by non-believing scholars as well as believing ones, and stands stronger for the scrutiny. The LDS Discussions position, by contrast, depends on its readers not knowing about the Jorgensen study, not investigating the early documentary record, and accepting without examination a social-contagion hypothesis that its own author acknowledged has a “paramount dilemma.”

We encourage every reader to follow Talmage's counsel: read the primary sources, examine Jorgensen's scholarship in full, consider the geographic distribution of the accounts, weigh the internal disagreements that confirm independent composition, and then assess where the evidence actually points. The evidence points toward August 8, 1844 being exactly what 129 witnesses said it was.

Key Scholarly Sources

For Further Reading

  • Lynne Watkins Jorgensen — “The Mantle of the Prophet Joseph Passes to Brother Brigham: One Hundred Twenty-nine Testimonies of a Collective Spiritual Witness,” in John W. Welch, ed., Opening the Heavens: Accounts of Divine Manifestation, 1820–1844 (BYU Studies / Deseret Book, 2005).
  • Richard Van Wagoner — “The Making of a Mormon Myth: The 1844 Transfiguration of Brigham Young,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 28, no. 4 (Winter 1995): 1–19. [The primary critical source, whose own “paramount dilemma” acknowledgment undermines its central argument.]
  • Scott C. Esplin — “Six Days in August: Brigham Young and the Succession Crisis of 1844,” Firm Foundation (BYU Religious Studies Center).
  • ScriptureCentral — “Why Did the Mantle of Joseph Smith Fall on Brigham Young?” (Know Why series).
  • Interpreter Foundation — “Aftermath of the Martyrdom: Aspirants to the Mantle of the Prophet Joseph Smith,” Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship.
  • Dan C. Peterson — “Brigham Young and the Prophetic Mantle in Nauvoo,” Sic et Non (Patheos), August 2019; “Resources Regarding the ‘Transfiguration’ of Brigham Young,” September 2024.