LDS Discussions — A Faithful Response

LDS Expanded Essay: First Vision Accounts (Annotated)

A scholarly response to ldsdiscussions.com’s annotated critique of the Church’s Gospel Topics Essay on Joseph Smith’s First Vision

Introduction

The ldsdiscussions.com annotated essay on the Church’s Gospel Topics Essay on First Vision Accounts presents a series of challenges to the historical credibility of Joseph Smith’s reported vision of God the Father and Jesus Christ in the spring of 1820. The site argues, in summary, that (1) the 1832 account reflects an early trinitarian theology incompatible with later accounts; (2) the story “grew” over time through embellishment and theological revision; (3) there was no religious revival in Palmyra in 1820 as Joseph claimed; (4) the 1832 account was deliberately suppressed by Church leaders; and (5) the variation among accounts is fundamentally irreconcilable. Each of these claims can be met with a substantial, documented scholarly response.

This response draws on the scholarship of Steven C. Harper (Oxford University Press, 2019), Milton V. Backman (BYU Studies, 1969), Richard Bushman, FAIR Latter-day Saints, and primary documents from the Joseph Smith Papers Project. The goal is not to dismiss genuine historical questions, but to demonstrate that the framing employed by ldsdiscussions.com systematically omits, misrepresents, or selectively applies the very evidence it cites.

The claim that the First Vision accounts present an irrecoverable problem for Church history is, on close examination, not sustained by the best scholarship in the field.

Claim 1: The 1832 Account Proves Early Trinitarian Theology and a Single Personage

LDS Discussions argues at length that Joseph Smith’s earliest known First Vision account (summer 1832) only mentions seeing “the Lord” — singular — and that this reflects an early trinitarian theology later abandoned. The site cites the 1830 Book of Mormon’s apparent trinitarianism (“mother of God” changed to “mother of the Son of God” in 1837), the Testimony of the Three Witnesses, and early Evening & Morning Star articles to argue that the Mormon church of 1832 understood God and Christ as a single being. Therefore, the logic runs, the 1838 account’s two personages represents theological invention, not memory.

Response: The 1832 Account Does Not Require a Single Personage

The 1832 account reads: “the Lord opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord.” The critical claim that this definitively describes only one being fails on multiple grounds.

First, as the Gospel Topics Essay itself notes, the two references to “the Lord” are separated in sequential time: one being “opens the heavens,” and then Joseph “sees the Lord.” This is entirely consistent with the 1835 account, which describes one personage appearing “followed shortly by another.” The text does not say “I saw one being and one being only.” The ldsdiscussions.com argument requires the reader to treat the absence of an explicit statement about a second being as proof that no second being was present — a textbook case of the argument from silence.

Second, the account is a brief, unpublished personal autobiography — not a theological treatise or mission statement. Its emphasis is entirely personal and redemptive: Joseph focuses on his sinfulness, his desire for forgiveness, and Christ’s Atonement. The 1832 text says: “I cried unto the Lord for mercy for there was none else to whom I could go … the Lord opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph my son thy sins are forgiven thee.” The document’s entire purpose was to recount personal redemption, not to enumerate the Godhead. As scholar Steven C. Harper has demonstrated in First Vision: Memory and Mormon Origins (Oxford University Press, 2019), accounts shaped by specific audience and purpose will naturally emphasize different elements. The 1832 account’s silence about the Father does not prove the Father was absent — it proves this account was not written to address that question.

Third, the trinitarian argument is more complicated than LDS Discussions presents. Early Mormon theology was not uniformly trinitarian. The Book of Mormon itself is nuanced: while some passages use language that could sound modalistic, others clearly distinguish the Father and Son as separate beings (see 2 Nephi 31:11–12; 3 Nephi 11). The changes made to early Book of Mormon verses (“mother of God” to “mother of the Son of God”) are best read as clarifications of ambiguous language, not reversals of theology — especially since the 1835 First Vision account, written before most of these changes, explicitly describes two personages. If Joseph were constructing a theology of plurality in 1835–1838 that had not existed before, it is difficult to explain why the 1835 account (recorded by scribe Warren Parrish for a visitor named Robert Matthews) describes two beings in a context where Joseph had no apparent motive to invent them.

Key Scholarly Point

  • Steven C. Harper (2019) — The 1832 account is the earliest corroboration of a theophany, not evidence against it. Its purpose was personal and redemptive; its brevity does not equal denial of a second personage.
  • The 1835 Account — Recorded two years before the major theological changes of 1837–1838, by an independent scribe, for a non-member visitor: two personages are explicitly described. This is the account ldsdiscussions.com’s “evolving theology” thesis cannot adequately explain.
  • FAIR Latter-day Saints — Joseph’s own November 9, 1835 journal entry describes two personages and “many angels”; his November 14 summary refers to “the first visitation of Angels” — demonstrating that Joseph used varied terminology even within the same week, without any evidence of theological crisis or fabrication.

The “evolving theology” thesis is not a discovery of ldsdiscussions.com; it was the central argument of Fawn Brodie in No Man Knows My History (1945). When the 1832 account came to light in the 1960s — which had a far less sinister history than LDS Discussions claims, as addressed below — Brodie was confronted with evidence of a pre-1838 theophany account. Rather than revising her thesis, she simply moved the date of her fabrication claim earlier. That is not how scholarship is supposed to work. The existence of the 1832 account is itself a powerful argument for the authenticity of the broader narrative: Joseph recorded a heavenly manifestation years before the “official” theological program supposedly required him to.

Claim 2: The 1832 Account Was Deliberately Suppressed

LDS Discussions states that “Joseph Fielding Smith was in possession of the 1832 First Vision account sometime in the 1930s or 1940s and kept it suppressed by tearing it out of the letterbook it was written in.” It further claims the account was only released in the 1960s because critics “began asking for a copy” and that tape marks on the Joseph Smith Papers confirm deliberate suppression.

Response: The Evidence Does Not Support Deliberate Suppression

The facts here are considerably more mundane. The 1832 account was written in a letterbook alongside other documents. Pages were regularly removed and reinserted in 19th-century Church letterbooks for a variety of archival reasons — restoration, cataloguing, and protection from damage. The presence of tape on the pages in the Joseph Smith Papers does not prove deliberate censorship; it proves paper handling over 130 years of archival history. The letterbook was housed in the Church Historian’s office, accessible to Church historians, and the account was never classified or sealed.

The 1960s publication came through the work of Paul R. Cheesman and James B. Allen — Church-employed historians — who proactively brought the account to scholarly attention. Allen’s 1966 article “The Significance of Joseph Smith’s ‘First Vision’ in Mormon Thought” was published in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought and is widely credited with introducing the account to both scholars and the general Church membership. This does not look like suppression; it looks like a proactive Church historian doing his job.

Furthermore, the Church has since published all known First Vision accounts in full in official materials, the Joseph Smith Papers Project, and the Gospel Topics Essay itself. If the Church wanted to suppress the 1832 account, it has done a remarkably poor job of it. The suppression narrative requires attributing a motive — deliberate concealment of damaging evidence — for which there is no documentary proof, and which is contradicted by the publication history.

Claim 3: There Was No Religious Revival in Palmyra in 1820

This is perhaps the most detailed claim in the ldsdiscussions.com essay. Drawing primarily on Wesley P. Walters’ 1967 study, the site argues that church membership records for Palmyra show no revival in 1820; that denominational magazines report no revival; and that therefore Joseph Smith placed his vision in a historically inaccurate context. The site goes further, suggesting the Walters evidence is so strong that “no revival occurred in Palmyra area in 1820” is effectively established, and that the revival likely occurred in 1824 — after the Angel Moroni’s first visit (1823), which would “blow up the entire story.”

Response: The Walters Argument Has Been Substantially Refuted by Documented Evidence

The Walters argument was a serious one when advanced in 1967, and it prompted a productive scholarly debate. That debate has largely resolved against Walters, for several reasons.

First, Joseph Smith’s language specifies a region, not a village. In Joseph Smith — History 1:5, Joseph wrote that “there was in the place where we lived an unusual excitement on the subject of religion” and that “great multitudes united themselves to the different religious parties.” Walters focused on Palmyra village church membership rolls. But the Genesee Methodist District — the larger geographic region encompassing Palmyra, Manchester, Vienna, and surrounding townships — showed a 24 percent increase in Methodist membership in 1819 alone (from 4,888 to 6,068 members), followed by sustained growth. That is precisely the “great multitudes” language Joseph used, applied to exactly the “district of country” he described.

Second, a documented camp meeting occurred near Palmyra in June 1818. Aurora Seager’s contemporary journal records a Methodist camp meeting June 19–23, 1818, near Palmyra, with “about forty united with the Church” and approximately 2,000 spectators. Joseph’s own 1832 history states he began investigating churches “from the age of twelve years to fifteen” (approximately 1818–1821). Contemporary witness Orsamus Turner — a printing apprentice in Palmyra at the time — described Joseph “catching a spark of Methodism in the camp meeting, away down in the woods, on the Vienna road.” This corresponds precisely to the 1818 camp meeting documented in Seager’s journal.

Third, the Methodist journals of Benajah Williams document religious excitement in Joseph’s district in 1819–1820. These contemporary diaries — cited in the Gospel Topics Essay — document revivalist activity in the region by Reverend George Lane, speaking “on God’s method in bringing about Reformations.” The BYU Studies research of Milton V. Backman, supplemented by more recent work on the 1818 camp meeting, establishes that Joseph Smith’s description of religious fervor is historically supported by multiple independent contemporary sources.

Fourth, Walters commits the fallacy of negative proof. As historian Steven C. Harper and others have noted, Walters’ argument reduces to: We found no records of an 1820 revival in Palmyra, therefore none occurred. This violates basic historical method. The absence of denominational magazine reports does not prove the absence of an event; it proves the absence of reports. Revivals, camp meetings, and religious enthusiasm in rural upstate New York were extraordinarily common during the Second Great Awakening and were not consistently documented in central records. Richard Bushman’s methodological caution — dismissed by LDS Discussions as mere “apologetic argument” — is in fact accepted by mainstream historians of American religion.

Fifth, the argument that Moroni’s 1823 visit must post-date the First Vision is circular. The claim that revival evidence from 1824 “blows up” the story requires the premise that Joseph Smith’s entire chronology is unreliable. But Joseph consistently dated the First Vision to 1820 across all four personal accounts spanning ten years. The 1824 revival — amply documented — was a separate event from the religious excitement of 1818–1820 that Joseph described. The existence of a notable 1824 revival does not eliminate evidence for religious ferment in 1819–1820; it simply confirms that the region experienced multiple waves of revivalism, exactly as historians of “the burned-over district” have documented.

Whitney R. Cross — The Burned-Over District (Cornell University Press, 1950)

“The region became famous for its religious fervor — preachers wore out the land holding camp revivals and seeking converts during the early 1800s.”

The ldsdiscussions.com treatment of the revival question presents the Walters argument as settled fact, ignores the Backman and subsequent BYU Studies scholarship, and dismisses Bushman’s methodological caution. In reality, scholars across the ideological spectrum acknowledge the burned-over district context as historically robust and well-documented.

Claim 4: The Story Embellished Over Time — The “Growing” Narrative

LDS Discussions argues that the First Vision narrative became “more specific and grander” across the four accounts, with the 1832 account mentioning only Jesus, the 1835 adding angels and a “dark force,” and the 1838 account introducing the full “My Beloved Son” introduction of Jesus by the Father. This, the site argues, is the pattern of a manufactured story — details accumulate as needed for authority and credibility, particularly during the 1837–1838 credibility crisis involving the Kirtland bank collapse and the departures of Cowdery and Whitmer.

Response: The Pattern of Elaboration Is Neither Unique Nor Evidence of Fabrication

The most important methodological point here — articulated by Harper and acknowledged by secular historians of religion — is that accounts of religious experience characteristically grow richer in their retelling over time, not because they are fabricated but because meaning accumulates through reflection, audience shaping, and the gradual theological integration of the experience. This is true of Paul’s Damascus Road experience (compare Acts 9, Acts 22, Acts 26, and Galatians 1), and it is true of essentially every major religious narrative studied in the academic literature on religious autobiography.

The ldsdiscussions.com essay quotes the Gospel Topics Essay’s comparison to Paul’s Damascus Road accounts, then dismisses it as an “apples to oranges comparison” because “the biblical gospels were not written firsthand.” But this misses the apologetic’s actual point. The Pauline accounts are firsthand — Paul authored Galatians 1 and is the source for all Acts accounts. Paul describes his vision variously as a heavenly vision, a revelation, and a personal encounter with the risen Christ, with different details in each retelling. No serious New Testament scholar concludes from this that Paul fabricated the Damascus Road experience. The parallel is apt and well-established.

Moreover, the “growing narrative” thesis has a significant internal problem: later accounts are not consistently longer or more elaborate. The 1842 Wentworth Letter account is actually more concise than the 1838 account. Steven Harper notes in First Vision: Memory and Mormon Origins that Joseph created the 1838 version as the “definitive, developed-for-publication” account and that subsequent retellings varied by context and audience — precisely the behavior of someone recounting a real event in different situations, not the behavior of someone consciously elaborating a fraud.

The credibility crisis argument — that the 1838 account served Joseph’s need to reassert prophetic authority during the Kirtland troubles — is a plausible historical hypothesis, but it does not constitute proof. The same timing equally supports the opposite interpretation: that Joseph chose 1838 to formally document the foundational event of the Restoration because he was compiling his official history for publication for the first time, a project documented in D&C 69 and multiple contemporaneous journal entries. The decision to begin an official history would naturally begin with the First Vision; the timing need not reflect crisis management.

Furthermore, the essay conflates two separate explanatory tasks: (a) accounting for theological development in early Mormonism, and (b) accounting for differences in the First Vision accounts. It is entirely possible that Joseph Smith’s articulation of the Godhead became more explicit between 1832 and 1838 while the underlying experience remained constant — that is, that he saw two beings in 1820, described the redemptive one in his 1832 personal autobiography, and progressively developed theological language adequate to the full experience over the following years. That is not fabrication; it is the ordinary process of religious understanding.

Claim 5: Why Did No One Know About the First Vision for Years?

LDS Discussions presents “no one knew about the First Vision for 15–20 years” as a significant challenge, arguing that if Joseph truly met God and Jesus, he would have told his friends. The site notes there are no published references to the First Vision in any Church publication until 1840.

Response: The Silence Is Both Overstated and Explained by Context

The premise is overstated. The 1832 account — written approximately twelve years after the vision — is not a publication, but it is contemporaneous documentation predating the alleged theological motive. The 1835 account was told to a non-member visitor (Robert Matthews) as part of Joseph’s personal testimony. Secondary accounts from contemporaries who heard Joseph describe the vision survive from the 1830s, including accounts recorded by Alexander Neibaur, Orson Pratt, and others. Joseph clearly spoke about the experience during the 1830s to multiple audiences; the claim of total silence is inaccurate.

Why no early public publication? The most straightforward explanation involves the cultural and communicative context of frontier America: poor farm boys in early 19th-century America did not keep systematic journals, paper was expensive, and formal documentation was not universal practice. More importantly, as Richard Bushman notes, visionary experiences were extraordinarily common in upstate New York in the 1820s — so common that when Joseph told a local Methodist minister about his vision, the minister dismissed it as a phenomenon of the devil rather than expressing shock that such things were claimed. The minister’s reaction suggests visions were familiar enough not to require special public announcement.

The early church’s theological emphasis was on the Book of Mormon, the restoration of priesthood, and the gathering of Israel — not on cataloguing Joseph’s personal spiritual history. That the foundational theophany was not immediately broadcast is no more suspicious than the fact that Paul’s Damascus Road experience appears in three different texts written across roughly two decades, none published during the event itself.

Claim 6: The LeBron James Analogy — No One Would Forget a Second Person

LDS Discussions offers an analogy: if I claimed to have a meeting with LeBron James and only mentioned him, then later said Michael Jordan was also there, no one would believe I forgot Jordan. The site uses this to argue that Joseph Smith could not have forgotten to mention God the Father in 1832 if He were actually present.

Response: The Analogy Fails to Account for the Nature and Purpose of the 1832 Account

The analogy is rhetorically vivid but historically naive. It treats Joseph’s 1832 autobiography as the equivalent of a casual social story. The 1832 account is a personal spiritual autobiography focused entirely on the question of Joseph’s sinfulness and the redemption offered through Christ. The operative question was: Can I be forgiven? The answer came through the personage who forgave him — Jesus Christ. The role of the Father in the 1832 account’s framework was to open the heavens and direct Joseph to the Son. If the account’s singular focus is on personal redemption through Christ, there is nothing inherently suspicious about a written record that emphasizes Christ while not dwelling on the Father’s presence.

The analogy also assumes that Joseph’s language accurately captures his full experience, when in fact Joseph himself acknowledged difficulty with written expression. He wrote in 1832 that he felt confined by “paper pen and Ink and a crooked broken scattered and imperfect Language” and called the written word a “little narrow prison.” This is not an excuse invented by apologists; it is Joseph’s own contemporary statement about the gap between an overwhelming visionary experience and a brief personal autobiography.

The LeBron/Jordan analogy would be apt if the 1832 account contained an explicit statement: “I saw Jesus and no one else.” It does not contain that statement. Its silence about the Father cannot be used as evidence of the Father’s absence without committing the argument from silence — a recognized logical fallacy in historical analysis.

Claim 7: The Church’s Conclusion Is Epistemic Retreat

The ldsdiscussions.com essay concludes that the Gospel Topics Essay’s appeal to personal prayer as the means of knowing the First Vision’s truth represents a concession that “history and evidence are not on their side.” The site further suggests that a prayer invitation conditioned on “sincere, humble” intent is designed to gaslight those who do not receive a testimony.

Response: The Appeal to Spiritual Witness Is Philosophically Coherent, Not a Retreat

The framing of “epistemic retreat” assumes that the only valid form of knowledge is historical-documentary evidence. But the truth of a religious claim about a divine theophany is not a question that historical evidence can settle — in either direction. As Steven C. Harper argues explicitly in First Vision: Memory and Mormon Origins, both apologetic and critical approaches make the same fundamental error: they treat the First Vision as primarily a historical problem to be solved or dissolved. Harper, writing for Oxford University Press, argues that the vision is better understood as a question of memory, meaning, and lived religious experience.

The philosophical distinction here is between a priori and a posteriori knowledge. Critics who argue the First Vision cannot have happened are employing a priori knowledge — they have decided, prior to examining the accounts, that visions of the divine do not occur. This is not a conclusion derived from historical evidence; it is a metaphysical assumption imported into historical analysis. The Church’s invitation to pray is an invitation to a posteriori knowledge: to actually test the claim through personal experience rather than to decide the outcome before inquiry begins.

The framing of spiritual witness as “gaslighting” only works if the answer to the prayer is predetermined to be negative. But if the question is genuinely open — if God exists and the First Vision is real — then the invitation to pray is not a trap; it is a test. That is the consistent invitation of the New Testament: “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find” (Matthew 7:7).

The Unanswered Problem in the Critical Case

The ldsdiscussions.com annotated essay never grapples adequately with the 1835 account’s theological implications. If the “evolving theology” thesis is correct — that Joseph invented two personages to match a new plurality-of-Gods theology emerging after 1835 — the 1835 account should not exist in the form it does. It does. It was recorded by an independent scribe (Warren Parrish) for a non-member visitor (Robert Matthews), in a context where there was no institutional need to assert divine authority or satisfy a restless membership. Its two personages cannot be explained by the evolving theology thesis. That is the central factual gap in ldsdiscussions.com’s account, and it is never addressed.

Similarly, the site never engages the research of Steven C. Harper, whose 2019 Oxford University Press monograph represents the current scholarly standard. Harper is not a polemicist; he is a trained historian who served as volume editor on the Joseph Smith Papers and lead history editor of Saints. His assessment is that neither the critical nor the apologetic reading of the First Vision accounts does justice to the complexity of memory and religious experience. His work is the benchmark, and ldsdiscussions.com ignores it entirely.

Key Scholarly Sources

  • Steven C. HarperFirst Vision: Memory and Mormon Origins (Oxford University Press, 2019). The definitive academic treatment; demonstrates that the foundational error of both critics and defenders is applying logical positivism to a question of religious memory.
  • Milton V. BackmanJoseph Smith’s First Vision: The First Vision in Its Historical Context (Bookcraft, 1971; 2nd ed. 1980). Documents revival activity in the Genesee district 1818–1820; refutes the narrow Walters reading of the evidence.
  • Richard L. BushmanJoseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (Knopf, 2005). Comprehensive scholarly biography; addresses the revival question, the 1832 account, and theological development with full primary source citation.
  • James B. Allen — “The Significance of Joseph Smith’s ‘First Vision’ in Mormon Thought,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (1966). The proactive Church-historian publication of the 1832 account — the opposite of suppression.
  • Dean C. Jessee — “The Earliest Documented Accounts of Joseph Smith’s First Vision,” in Opening the Heavens (BYU Press/Deseret Book, 2005). Full documentary compilation of all known First Vision accounts with historical apparatus.
  • Whitney R. CrossThe Burned-Over District (Cornell University Press, 1950). Secular historian; establishes the pervasive revivalist culture of western New York in the 1810s–1820s.

The First Vision accounts are the best-documented theophany claim in the history of American religious experience. Eight distinct documents describe the event; five are Joseph’s own accounts, and three are contemporaneous accounts recorded by people who heard him speak. The existence of multiple accounts with natural variation is not a mark against their credibility — it is the mark of a real event remembered across different contexts and purposes over time.

The alternative — that Joseph fabricated an elaborate, internally consistent set of accounts over a twenty-year period, that contemporaries independently corroborated a fictional experience, and that the 1832 account anticipated rather than followed his alleged theological innovations — requires a far more complicated explanation than the one the evidence actually supports. The ldsdiscussions.com case rests on selective reading, the argument from silence, and the wholesale adoption of a half-century-old critical framework that the best current scholarship has substantially revised.